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Post by heroin chic © on Feb 5, 2007 19:37:59 GMT
they shouldn't be banned. full stop.
clothes look good on skinny people, and even better on very skinny people. i don't see why we should change the way we've viewed clothes and the fashion industry since the 60s just because there's people these days who don't understand how to stop eating. it's just a big exercise to make fat people feel better about themselves by claiming that thin people are too thin.
it's more unhealthy being overweight than underweight. i realise that some of these models have eating disorders and it's all a terrible shame, but banning then is ridiculous.
as for the issue of teenage girls trying to emulate the bodies, i genuinely think model's aren't to blame. girls with eating disorders have deep-rooted problems, and if the gene's there, it will come out eventually, regardless of which magazines she reads, or which size models are in them.
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Post by Lissie on Feb 5, 2007 20:34:27 GMT
I disagree but I'm glad you brought this up. You talked about the 60s, but anorexia and bulimia were no way as common back then as it is today. The media makes a bigger difference than you'd think. And it's not just models. It's actresses and singers... pretty much everyone we see on tv every single day, are infact underweight.
The ideals today aren't healthy. You can be normal weight and still be a model. And you can be normal weight without being fat. Everything isn't just black and white, thin and fat.
And it's not just an excuse for fat people. If you had any idea how many normal weight girls I know who compare themselves to these underweight girls. None of these girls are fat. And if you asked most girls at your school for example, or at this forum, I could bet money on that most girls look at themselves and compare them to the models. Even the ones that really have no reason to.
And if that is just a gene... how come anorexia and bulimia has gotten more and more common as the media has gotten more control of peoples lives?
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Post by heroic on Feb 5, 2007 21:48:58 GMT
The word skinny has bad connotations for me. I mean literally, skinny means "like skin" or perhaps something to that effect and if indeed, that is the standard of the fashion industry it doesn't bode well for a society that is so bent on achieving the beauty that media has defined. Girls might diet ridiculously to the point of starvation. I'm not saying all of them will, just that it wouldn't be surprising at all if there were any who would.
There are naturally slim females though who look healthy enough despite the lack of curves on their bodies, it would be a shame to begrudge them modelling jobs and a chance to present to the public that it is quite possible to be slender and not be skeletal. to that i say, banning should be done on a case to case basis. however, considering the logistics i think that would be quite impossible hence the current choice to standardize banning of size 0s.
i prefer a call for HEALTHIER looking models and the emaciated look should be banned. it's alright to be slim but frankly, there should be a limit. i personally would prefer it if the models were more robust and live looking.
as for whether or not it is the model's fault. it's not. however, keep in mind that in submitting yourself to a very public occupation such as the media you are raised into a state where people will emulate you, generally speaking, whether you like it or not. as a model you will symbolize the ideas of your sector/industry and i suppose you should carry yourself the way you want to be considered.
and viewers, well honestly, we could all stand to think about what we take in from media anyway. we can't always blame media, we do have our own heads.
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Post by Lulu on Feb 5, 2007 22:57:54 GMT
I totally disagree...clothes look crap on really skinny people - I mean, they're hanging off them, for God's sake. All those expensive clothes would look far sexier with some curves to cling onto, in my opinion.
And is is NOT an exercise to make fat people feel better about themselves. I've been there, done that, and got the T-shirt, as have so many other teenage girls...even if they're a perfectly normal weight, they feel fat and plump while comparing themselves to skinny supermodels and celebrities.
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Post by Hayles x x on Feb 7, 2007 11:00:43 GMT
Quite a lot of skinny celebs are putting weight on now. E.G: Lindsya Lohan, Hilary Duff and Jessica Simpson, there are still too many skinny ceebs though who just don't eat! Look how skinny Mischa Barton is, she is 21 years old and she is way too thin!! and Victoria Beckham!
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Post by heroin chic © on Feb 7, 2007 20:00:33 GMT
I totally disagree...clothes look crap on really skinny people - I mean, they're hanging off them, for God's sake. All those expensive clothes would look far sexier with some curves to cling onto, in my opinion. they do look better - that's the point of models. they're glorified clothes hangers. i dunno, maybe it's me. i seemed to be the only one who thought kiera knightley didn't look too thin in that gold dress.
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Post by Lissie on Feb 7, 2007 20:41:42 GMT
I dont think it looked all that bad either. Maybe if you look at the hips. But I dont think Keira Knightley has anorexia.
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Post by ~♥Alexa♥~ on Feb 7, 2007 21:34:52 GMT
I dont think it looked all that bad either. Maybe if you look at the hips. But I dont think Keira Knightley has anorexia. Keira Knightly's naturally that size.
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Post by [S]ophie_x on Feb 7, 2007 21:53:28 GMT
Quite a lot of skinny celebs are putting weight on now. E.G: Lindsya Lohan, Hilary Duff and Jessica Simpson, there are still too many skinny ceebs though who just don't eat! Look how skinny Mischa Barton is, she is 21 years old and she is way too thin!! and Victoria Beckham! I completely agree. Stars like Mary-Kate Olsen and Nicole Richie are anorexic. There was an article where Lionel Richie(nicoles dad) said that Nicole eats burgers, fries to put on weight. Keira Knightley is skinny, but that might be Natural. This doesn't mean she's anorexic.
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Post by corydaze on Feb 7, 2007 22:36:04 GMT
Yup gotta agree with you there hun Clothes look horrible on stick thin girls, I don't have anything against skinny girls myself but anyone will tell you that women look so much better with a bit of meat of their bones. Despite that though, I do not think skinny models should be banned. The way I see it, banning skinny girls is equally as bad as banning curvy girls. Ever noticed how if someone calls a girl too fat then we'll be horrified at that person for saying such a thing - yet if a girl is labelled too thin then nothing happens! See what I'm getting at here? The solution here is to show a range of different body types on the catwalk - so a mixture of slim, curvey, tall, short so people can see that there is no 'ideal' body type as such.
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Post by thesneaky on Feb 8, 2007 7:12:11 GMT
When I watch the Fashion Channel, I do feel a bit insecure about my body but at the end of the day, I'm not going to stop eating to be stick thin. It's unrealistic and I'm too lazy to stop eating.
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Post by heroic on Feb 8, 2007 8:42:56 GMT
I just think there should be like some sort of health program models should go through so they can be as slim as they want in a healthy way or as plump as they want, whatever and then publicize this so the public (particularly those who emulate models) are aware that there is a RIGHT and SAFE way to go about reaching and maintaining your desired girth. Cause you know, starving yourself isn't the way to go. There are proper channels.
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Post by corydaze on Feb 8, 2007 14:04:06 GMT
Exactly the media can make people feel insecure, both boys and girls. Whenever I see guys on TV with six packs and a ton of muscles, that makes me feel insecure about my body. But I don't dwell on it - I just get over it you know? Anyways banning skinny models isn't the solution. That would be almost like saying 'You have to have some curves on you to be beautiful'
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Post by Lissie on Feb 8, 2007 15:17:57 GMT
The idea isn't to completely ban skinny models though. They want to ban those with an extremely low BMI (body mass index), after a brazilian model, Ana Carolina Reston died last year. Lots of famous people have shown their support. Giorgio Armani, Kate Winslet and Cameron Diaz to name a few.
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Post by heroic on Feb 8, 2007 16:04:14 GMT
I don't think BMI should be the standard for this. Some people have big bones and this added weight could match their BMI but they could still have too low fat content (cause we do need some fat).
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